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  • 1

    Product Leadership

    How Top Product Managers Launch Awesome Products and Build Successful Teams

    Richard Banfield · 2017

    3.641,115 ratings · Goodreads

    Leading and managingFinding product-market fitCompany building

    About the book

    In today's lightning-fast technology world, good product management is critical to maintaining a competitive advantage. Yet, managing human beings and navigating complex product roadmaps is no easy task, and it's rare to find a product leader who can steward…

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  • 2

    The Sales Acceleration Formula

    Using Data, Technology, and Inbound Selling to go from $0 to $100 Million

    Mark Roberge · 2015

    4.252,828 ratings · Goodreads

    Leading and managingFirst salesCompany building

    About the book

    Use data, technology, and inbound selling to build a remarkable team and accelerate sales The Sales Acceleration Formula provides a scalable, predictable approach to growing revenue and building a winning sales team. Everyone wants to build the next $100…

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  • 3

    Crossing the Chasm

    Marketing and Selling High-Tech Products to Mainstream Customers

    Geoffrey A. Moore · 2002

    4.0332,109 ratings · Goodreads

    Leading and managingMarketing and growthCompany building

    About the book

    Here is the bestselling guide that created a new game plan for marketing in high-tech industries. Crossing the Chasm has become the bible for bringing cutting-edge products to progressively larger markets. This edition provides new insights into the realities…

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  • 4

    Strategize

    Product Strategy and Product Roadmap Practices for the Digital Age

    Roman Pichler · 2016

    4.00994 ratings · Goodreads

    Leading and managingFinding product-market fitCompany building

    About the book

    Create a winning game plan for your digital products with Strategize: Product Strategy and Product Roadmap Practices for the Digital Age , 2nd edition. Using a wide range of proven techniques and tools, product management expert Roman Pichler explains how to…

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  • 5

    Venture Deals

    Be Smarter Than Your Lawyer and Venture Capitalist

    Brad Feld · 2011

    4.1117,486 ratings · Goodreads

    Leading and managingRaising moneyCompany building

    About the book

    Praise for Venture Deals"My biggest nightmare is taking advantage of an entrepreneur without even realizing it. It happens because VCs are experts in financings and most entrepreneurs are not. Brad and Jason are out to fix that problem with Venture Deals.…

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  • 6

    Lean Customer Development

    Building Products Your Customers Will Buy

    Cindy Alvarez · 2014

    4.181,270 ratings · Goodreads

    Leading and managingFinding product-market fitCompany building

    About the book

    How do you develop products that people will actually use and buy? This practical guide shows you how to validate product and company ideas through customer development research--before you waste months and millions on a product or service that no one needs…

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  • 7

    UnMarketing

    Stop Marketing. Start Engaging.

    Scott Stratten · 2010

    3.963,352 ratings · Goodreads

    Leading and managingMarketing and growthCompany building

    About the book

    From one of the leading experts in viral and social marketing-market your business effectively to today's customersFor generations, marketing has been hypocritical. We've been taught to market to others in ways we hate being marketed to (cold-calling, flyers,…

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  • 8

    Lean UX

    Applying Lean Principles to Improve User Experience

    Jeff Gothelf · 2012

    3.996,766 ratings · Goodreads

    Leading and managingFinding product-market fitCompany building

    About the book

    The Lean UX approach to interaction design is tailor-made for today’s web-driven reality. In this insightful book, leading advocate Jeff Gothelf teaches you valuable Lean UX principles, tactics, and techniques from the ground up, how to rapidly experiment with…

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The books most about leading and managing.

  • 1

    Start with Why

    How Great Leaders Inspire Everyone to Take Action

    Simon Sinek · 2009

    4.09281,577 ratings · Goodreads

    Leading and managing

    About the book

    Why do you do what you do? Why are some people and organizations more innovative, more influential, and more profitable than others? Why do some command greater loyalty from customers and employees alike? Even among the successful, why are so few able to…

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  • 2

    Leadership

    In Turbulent Times

    Doris Kearns Goodwin · 2018

    4.4016,361 ratings · Goodreads

    Leading and managing

    About the book

    Are leaders born or made? Where does ambition come from? How does adversity affect the growth of leadership? Does the leader make the times or do the times make the leader? In Leadership, Goodwin draws upon the four presidents she has studied most…

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  • 3

    A Higher Loyalty

    Truth, Lies, and Leadership

    James B. Comey · 2018

    4.0949,995 ratings · Goodreads

    Leading and managing

    About the book

    In his book, former FBI director James Comey shares his never-before-told experiences from some of the highest-stakes situations of his career in the past two decades of American government, exploring what good, ethical leadership looks like, and how it…

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  • 4

    Gang Leader for a Day

    A Rogue Sociologist Takes to the Streets

    Sudhir Venkatesh · 2008

    4.0726,029 ratings · Goodreads

    Leading and managing

    About the book

    The story of the young sociologist who studied a Chicago crack-dealing gang from the inside captured the world's attention when it was first described in Freakonomics. Gang Leader for a Day is the fascinating full story of how Sudhir Venkatesh managed to gain…

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  • 5

    The Goal

    A Process of Ongoing Improvement

    Eliyahu M. Goldratt · 2004

    4.0786,160 ratings · Goodreads

    Leading and managing

    About the book

    Written in a fast-paced thriller style, The Goal, a gripping novel, is transforming management thinking throughout the world. It is a book to recommend to your friends in industry - even to your bosses - but not to your competitors. Alex Rogo is a harried…

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  • 6

    Modern working capital management

    Frederick C. Scherr · 1989

    43 Open Library reading lists

    Leading and managing

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  • 7

    Joker One

    A Marine Platoon's Story of Courage, Leadership, and Brotherhood

    Donovan Campbell · 2009

    4.154,545 ratings · Goodreads

    Leading and managing

    About the book

    After graduating from Princeton, Donovan Campbell, motivated by his unwavering patriotism and commitment, decided to join the service, realizing that becoming a Marine officer would allow him to give back to his country, engage in the world, and learn to…

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  • 8

    The Ride of a Lifetime

    Lessons Learned from 15 Years as CEO of the Walt Disney Company

    Robert Iger · 2019

    4.4099,495 ratings · Goodreads

    Leading and managing

    About the book

    A grand vision defined: The CEO of The Walt Disney Company shares the ideas and values he has used to reinvent one of the most beloved companies in the world, and inspire the people who bring the magic to life. In 2005, Robert Iger became CEO of The Walt…

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What founders at seed need most: company building, finding product-market fit, raising money, first sales, marketing and growth.

  • 1

    The Elements of User Experience

    User-Centered Design for the Web

    Jesse James Garrett · 2002

    4.014,134 ratings · Goodreads

    Finding product-market fitCompany building

    About the book

    Smart organizations recognize that Web design is more than just creating clean code and sharp graphics. A site that really works fulfills your strategic objectives while meeting the needs of your users. Even the best content and the most sophisticated…

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  • 2

    Get Backed

    Craft Your Story, Build the Perfect Pitch Deck, and Launch the Venture of Your Dreams

    Evan Baehr · 2015

    4.36356 ratings · Goodreads

    Raising moneyCompany building

    About the book

    HOW DO YOU LAUNCH THE VENTURE OF YOUR DREAMS? Get Backed isn’t just about startup fundraising. It’s a handbook for anyone who has an idea and needs to build relationships to get it off the ground. Over the last 3 years, entrepreneurs Evan Loomis and…

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  • 3

    80/20 Sales and Marketing

    The Definitive Guide to Working Less and Making More

    Perry Marshall · 2013

    4.191,904 ratings · Goodreads

    First salesMarketing and growthCompany building

    About the book

    Stop "Just Getting By" ... Master The 80/20 Principle And Make More Money Without More Work. When you know how to walk into any situation and see the 80/20's, you can solve almost ANY marketing problem. 80/20 can demolish any sales and advertising problem.…

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  • 4

    A Project Guide to UX Design

    For User Experience Designers in the Field or in the Making

    Russ Unger · 2009

    3.871,774 ratings · Goodreads

    Finding product-market fitCompany building

    About the book

    “If you are a young designer entering or contemplating entering the UX field this is a canonical book. If you are an organization that really needs to start grokking UX this book is also for you. " -- Chris Bernard, User Experience Evangelist, Microsoft User…

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  • 5

    Selling the Invisible

    A Field Guide to Modern Marketing

    Harry Beckwith · 1997

    3.9410,059 ratings · Goodreads

    Marketing and growthFirst salesCompany building

    About the book

    You can't touch, hear, or see your company's most important products... So how do you sell, develop, make them grow? That's the problem with services. This "phenomenal" book, as one reviewer called it, answers that question with insights on how markets work…

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  • 6

    Observing the User Experience

    A Practitioner's Guide to User Research

    Mike Kuniavsky · 2003

    3.99695 ratings · Goodreads

    Finding product-market fit

    About the book

    The gap between who designers and developers imagine their users are, and who those users really are can be the biggest problem with product development. Observing the User Experience will help you bridge that gap to understand what your users want and need…

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  • 7

    Solving Product Design Exercises

    Questions & Answers

    Artiom Dashinsky · 2018

    4.30675 ratings · Goodreads

    Finding product-market fitCompany building

    About the book

    Practice your product design and UX skills. Prepare for your next job interview. "Redesign the NYC metrocard system. Design a dashboard for a general practitioner. Redesign an ATM". Learn how to solve and present exercises like these, that top startups…

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  • 8

    Cashvertising

    How to Use More Than 100 Secrets of Ad-Agency Psychology to Make BIG MONEY Selling Anything to Anyone

    Drew Eric Whitman · 2008

    4.352,705 ratings · Goodreads

    First salesCompany buildingMarketing and growth

    About the book

    Your brain is being controlled-and you don't even know it. Because if you think the ads you're seeing today are just pretty pictures with nice, creative copy, you're mistaken. Truth is, you are being powerfully influenced by dozens of proven scientific…

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Leading and managing a team as the company grows.

  • 1

    Worship Matters

    Leading Others to Encounter the Greatness of God

    Bob Kauflin · 2008

    4.402,642 ratings · Goodreads

    Leading and managing

    About the book

    Nothing is more essential than knowing how to worship the God who created us. This book focuses readers on the essentials of God-honoring worship, combining biblical foundations with practical application in a way that works in the real world. The author, a…

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  • 2

    Dare to Lead

    Brené Brown · 2018

    4.17132,765 ratings · Goodreads

    Leading and managing

    About the book

    #1 NEW YORK TIMES BESTSELLER • Brené Brown has taught us what it means to dare greatly, rise strong, and brave the wilderness. Now, based on new research conducted with leaders, change makers, and culture shifters, she’s showing us how to put those ideas into…

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  • 3

    The One Minute Manager

    Kenneth H. Blanchard · 1981

    3.95149,478 ratings · Goodreads

    Leading and managing

    About the book

    For more than twenty years, millions of managers in Fortune 500 companies and small businesses nationwide have followed The One Minute Manager's techniques, thus increasing their productivity, job satisfaction, and personal prosperity. These very real results…

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  • 4

    The Making of a Manager

    What to Do When Everyone Looks to You

    Julie Zhuo · 2019

    4.1922,682 ratings · Goodreads

    Leading and managing

    About the book

    Instant Wall Street Journal Bestseller! Congratulations, you're a manager! After you pop the champagne, accept the shiny new title, and step into this thrilling next chapter of your career, the truth descends like a fog: you don't really know what you're…

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  • 5

    It Worked for Me

    In Life and Leadership

    Colin Powell · 2012

    4.107,226 ratings · Goodreads

    Leading and managing

    About the book

    New York Times Bestselling Author Colin Powell, one of America’s most admired public figures, reveals the unique lessons that shaped his life and career It Worked for Me is a collection of lessons and personal anecdotes that shaped four star-general and…

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  • 6

    A Different Kind of Power

    Jacinda Ardern · 2025

    4.4521,916 ratings · Goodreads

    Leading and managing

    About the book

    From the former prime minister of New Zealand, then the world’s youngest female head of government and just the second to give birth in office, comes a deeply personal memoir chronicling her extraordinary rise and offering inspiration to a new generation of…

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  • 7

    Leadership Strategy and Tactics

    Field Manual

    Jocko Willink · 2020

    4.409,277 ratings · Goodreads

    Leading and managing

    About the book

    The ultimate guide on leadership from the #1 New York Times bestselling co-author of Extreme Ownership.In the military, a field manual provides instructions in simple, clear, step-by-step language to help soldiers complete their mission. In the civilian…

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  • 8

    One Bullet Away

    The Making of a Marine Officer

    Nathaniel Fick · 2005

    4.2112,057 ratings · Goodreads

    Leading and managing

    About the book

    If the Marines are “the few, the proud,” Recon Marines are the fewest and the proudest. Nathaniel Fick’s career begins with a hellish summer at Quantico, after his junior year at Dartmouth. He leads a platoon in Afghanistan just after 9/11 and advances to the…

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  • 1

    How to Run a Country

    An Ancient Guide for Modern Leaders

    Marcus Tullius Cicero · 2044

    3.82431 ratings · Goodreads

    Leading and managing

    About the book

    Marcus Cicero, Rome's greatest statesman and orator, was elected to the Roman Republic's highest office at a time when his beloved country was threatened by power-hungry politicians, dire economic troubles, foreign turmoil, and political parties that refused…

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  • 2

    Simple Marketing For Smart People

    The One Question You Need to Win Customers without Gimmicks, Hype, or Hard Selling

    Billy Broas · 2024

    4.35305 ratings · Goodreads

    Marketing and growthFirst salesCompany building

    About the book

    Why do so many smart people struggle with marketing? The answer is smart people love complexity, and complexity brews problems. Does your marketing feel like it has way too many moving parts? If so, Simple Marketing for Smart People is the solution you’ve…

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  • 3

    The First-Time Manager

    Sales

    Mike Weinberg · 2023

    4.43282 ratings · Goodreads

    Leading and managingFirst salesCompany building

    About the book

    The First Time Manager Series has sold over 500,000 copies and is a go-to guide for new and aspiring sales managers on what to expect and how to succeed. The jump from sales superstar to sales manager has made or broken many a sales career. As a…

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  • 4

    Personal Branding for Introverts

    Goldie Chan · 2025

    4.41211 ratings · Goodreads

    Leading and managingMarketing and growthCompany building

    About the book

    A top expert in personal branding shows introverts how to leverage their unique strengths to get ahead    To build a career, you need a personal brand to showcase your distinct skills, experience, and expertise. Building that brand can feel…

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  • 5

    Strong Ground

    The Lessons of Daring Leadership, the Tenacity of Paradox, and the Wisdom of the Human Spirit

    Brené Brown · 2025

    4.138,259 ratings · Goodreads

    Leading and managingCompany building

    About the book

    Brené Brown returns with an urgent call to reimagine the essentials of courageous leadership. In a time when uncertainty runs deep and bluster, hubris, and even cruelty are increasingly framed as acceptable leadership, Brown delivers practical, actionable…

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  • 6

    The Thinking Machine

    Jensen Huang, Nvidia, and the World's Most Coveted Microchip

    Stephen Witt · 2025

    4.295,636 ratings · Goodreads

    Leading and managingCompany building

    About the book

    “Stephen Witt’s deep reporting shines through every page of The Thinking Machine. The result is a page-turning biography of perhaps the most consequential CEO and company in the world.”, David Epstein, New York Times bestselling author of Range Nvidia is…

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  • 7

    The Next Conversation

    Argue Less, Talk More

    Jefferson Fisher · 2025

    4.2917,465 ratings · Goodreads

    Leading and managing

    About the book

    From communication expert Jefferson Fisher, the definitive book on making your next conversation the one that changes everything No matter who you’re talking to, The Next Conversation gives you immediately actionable strategies and phrases that will…

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  • 8

    To Rescue the American Spirit

    Teddy Roosevelt and the Birth of a Superpower

    Bret Baier · 2025

    4.542,106 ratings · Goodreads

    Leading and managing

    About the book

    From #1 New York Times bestselling author and Fox News Channel’s Chief Political Anchor, a captivating biography of Theodore Roosevelt, the stalwart naturalist, writer, ranchman, soldier, president, and avatar of our modern era. There has never been a…

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How companies like yours were actually built, from the people who built them.

  • 1

    Shoe Dog

    A Memoir by the Creator of Nike

    Phil Knight · 2016

    4.45389,310 ratings · Goodreads

    Founder storiesCompany buildingLeading and managing

    About the book

    In this candid and riveting memoir, for the first time ever, Nike founder and CEO Phil Knight shares the inside story of the company’s early days as an intrepid start-up and its evolution into one of the world’s most iconic, game-changing, and profitable…

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  • 2

    Heartland

    A Memoir of Working Hard and Being Broke in the Richest Country on Earth

    Sarah Smarsh · 2018

    3.7616,921 ratings · Goodreads

    Founder stories

    About the book

    During Sarah Smarsh’s turbulent childhood in Kansas in the 1980s and 1990s, the forces of cyclical poverty and the country’s changing economic policies solidified her family’s place among the working poor. By telling the story of her life and the lives of the…

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  • 3

    Sam Walton, Made in America

    My Story

    Sam Walton · 1992

    4.1628,881 ratings · Goodreads

    Founder storiesCompany buildingLeading and managing

    About the book

    As Sam Walton himself said, this is "...a story about entrepreneurship, and risk, and hard work, and knowing where you want to go and being willing to do what it takes to get there. And it's a story about believing in your idea even when maybe some other…

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  • 4

    The Situation Room

    The Inside Story of Presidents in Crisis

    George Stephanopoulos · 2024

    4.3211,278 ratings · Goodreads

    Founder storiesLeading and managing

    About the book

    George Stephanopoulos, former senior advisor to President Clinton and for more than 20 years anchor of  This Week  and co-anchor of  Good Morning America , recounts the crises that decided the course of history, from the place 12 presidents made their…

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  • 5

    The Elon Musk Blog Series

    Wait But Why

    Tim Urban · 2016

    4.701,837 ratings · Goodreads

    Founder storiesCompany building

    About the book

    In 2015, Elon Musk reached out to blogger Tim Urban and asked him if he'd take a crack at explaining Elon's endeavors, and the industries surrounding them, to the world. Tim accepted, and after extensive meetings with Elon and his staff, he wrote four blog…

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  • 6

    Careless People

    A Cautionary Tale of Power, Greed, and Lost Idealism

    Sarah Wynn-Williams · 2025

    4.12150,174 ratings · Goodreads

    Founder storiesCompany building

    About the book

    Sarah Wynn-Williams joined Facebook believing the company could change things for the better. Instead, what she encountered over seven years was so shocking that Meta obtained a legal order to silence her. Now you can read her award-winning story. Candid…

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  • 7

    Steve Jobs

    Walter Isaacson · 2011

    4.161,391,990 ratings · Goodreads

    Founder storiesCompany buildingLeading and managing

    About the book

    Walter Isaacson's worldwide bestselling biography of Apple cofounder Steve Jobs. Based on more than forty interviews with Steve Jobs conducted over two years--as well as interviews with more than 100 family members, friends, adversaries, competitors, and…

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  • 8

    Elon Musk

    Tesla, SpaceX, and the Quest for a Fantastic Future

    Ashlee Vance · 2015

    4.12456,221 ratings · Goodreads

    Founder storiesCompany building

    About the book

    Elon Musk, the entrepreneur and innovator behind SpaceX, Tesla, and SolarCity, sold one of his internet companies, PayPal, for $1.5 billion. Ashlee Vance captures the full spectacle and arc of the genius's life and work, from his tumultuous upbringing in…

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What founders at seed keep coming back to, if you have not read them yet.

  • 1

    The 22 Immutable Laws of Marketing

    Violate Them at Your Own Risk

    Al Ries · 1993

    4.0522,738 ratings · Goodreads

    Marketing and growthCompany building

    About the book

    There are laws of nature, so why shouldn't there be laws of marketing? As Al Ries and Jack Trout, the world-renowned marketing consultants and bestselling authors of Positioning, note, you can build an impressive airplane, but it will never leave the ground if…

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  • 2

    Inspired

    How to Create Tech Products Customers Love

    Marty Cagan · 2008

    4.2226,350 ratings · Goodreads

    Company buildingFinding product-market fit

    About the book

    Learn to design, build, and scale products consumers can't get enough of How do today's most successful tech companies–Amazon, Google, Facebook, Netflix, Tesla–design, develop, and deploy the products that have earned the love of literally billions of…

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  • 3

    Building A Story Brand

    Donald Miller · 2017

    4.2726,500 ratings · Goodreads

    Marketing and growthCompany building

    About the book

    New York Times bestselling author Donald Miller uses the seven universal elements of powerful stories to teach readers how to dramatically improve how they connect with customers and grow their businesses. Donald Miller’s StoryBrand process is a proven…

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  • 4

    No Logo

    Naomi Klein · 2000

    3.9033,309 ratings · Goodreads

    Company buildingMarketing and growth

    About the book

    With a new Afterword to the 2002 edition, No Logo employs journalistic savvy and personal testament to detail the insidious practices and far-reaching effects of corporate marketing, and the powerful potential of a growing activist sect that will surely alter…

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  • 5

    The Long Tail

    Why the Future of Business is Selling Less of More

    Chris Anderson · 2006

    3.8330,263 ratings · Goodreads

    Company buildingFirst sales

    About the book

    The New York Times bestseller that introduced the business world to a future that s already here -- now in paperback with a new chapter about Long Tail Marketing and a new epilogue. Winner of the Gerald Loeb Award for Best Business Book of the Year. In…

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  • 6

    Nunca te pares

    Phil Knight · 2016

    4.46361,920 ratings · Goodreads

    Company building

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  • 7

    Thinking, Fast and Slow

    Daniel Kahneman · 2011

    4.16616,355 ratings · Goodreads

    Company building

    About the book

    In the highly anticipated Thinking, Fast and Slow, Kahneman takes us on a groundbreaking tour of the mind and explains the two systems that drive the way we think. System 1 is fast, intuitive, and emotional; System 2 is slower, more deliberative, and more…

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  • 8

    The Almanack of Naval Ravikant

    A Guide to Wealth and Happiness

    Eric Jorgenson · 2020

    4.3776,993 ratings · Goodreads

    Company building

    About the book

    Getting rich is not just about luck; Happiness is not just a trait we are born with. These aspirations may seem out of reach, but building wealth and being happy are skills we can learn. So what are these skills, and how do we learn them? What are the…

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