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  • 1

    80/20 Sales and Marketing

    The Definitive Guide to Working Less and Making More

    Perry Marshall · 2013

    4.191,904 ratings · Goodreads

    Finance and numbersFirst salesMarketing and growth

    About the book

    Stop "Just Getting By" ... Master The 80/20 Principle And Make More Money Without More Work. When you know how to walk into any situation and see the 80/20's, you can solve almost ANY marketing problem. 80/20 can demolish any sales and advertising problem.…

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  • 2

    Undercover User Experience Design

    Learn How to Do Great UX Work with Tiny Budgets, No Time, and Limited Support

    Cennydd Bowles · 2010

    4.02505 ratings · Goodreads

    Finance and numbersFinding product-market fitCompany building

    About the book

    Once you catch the user experience bug, the world changes. Doors open the wrong way, websites don't work, and companies don't seem to care. And while anyone can learn the UX remedies usability testing, personas, prototyping and so on unless your organization…

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  • 3

    Copywriting Secrets

    Jim Edwards · 2019

    4.311,193 ratings · Goodreads

    Finance and numbersMarketing and growthCompany building

    About the book

    What if you could sell anything to anyone? Nobody is born knowing how to sell. But the truth is, you can learn how to sell more . . . a LOT more . . . when you discover the right words that make people buy. Copywriting is selling. Whether online,…

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  • 4

    The Art of Startup Fundraising

    Alejandro Cremades · 2016

    4.02819 ratings · Goodreads

    Finance and numbersCompany buildingRaising money

    About the book

    The Art of Startup Fundraising takes a fresh look at raising money for startups, with a focus on the changing face of startup finance. New regulations are making the old go-to advice less relevant, as startup money is increasingly moving online. These new…

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  • 5

    Venture Deals

    Be Smarter Than Your Lawyer and Venture Capitalist

    Brad Feld · 2011

    4.1117,486 ratings · Goodreads

    Finance and numbersRaising moneyCompany building

    About the book

    Praise for Venture Deals"My biggest nightmare is taking advantage of an entrepreneur without even realizing it. It happens because VCs are experts in financings and most entrepreneurs are not. Brad and Jason are out to fix that problem with Venture Deals.…

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  • 6

    The 1-Page Marketing Plan

    Get New Customers, Make More Money, And Stand out From The Crowd

    Allan Dib · 2016

    4.3211,134 ratings · Goodreads

    Finance and numbersMarketing and growthCompany building

    About the book

    Do Not Read This Book If You Hate Money To build a successful business, you need to stop doing random acts of marketing and start following a reliable plan for rapid business growth. Traditionally, creating a marketing plan has been a difficult and…

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  • 7

    How to Master the Art of Selling

    Tom Hopkins · 1981

    4.091,865 ratings · Goodreads

    Finance and numbersFirst salesCompany building

    About the book

    After he learned the world's best sales techniques, Tom Hopkins applied his new skills and earned more than one million dollars in just three years. Now, in this fully updated and revised edition of the million copy seller, Hopkins shows how you can succeed…

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  • 8

    Profit First

    Transform Your Business from a Cash-Eating Monster to a Money-Making Machine

    Mike Michalowicz · 2014

    4.2615,184 ratings · Goodreads

    Finance and numbersCompany building

    About the book

    Author of cult classics The Pumpkin Plan and The Toilet Paper Entrepreneur offers a simple, counterintuitive cash management solution that will help small businesses break out of the doom spiral and achieve instant profitability. Conventional accounting…

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  • 1

    Clever Girl Finance

    Bola Sokunbi · 2019

    29 Open Library reading lists

    Finance and numbers

    About the book

    "Clever Girl Finance is an intro-level personal finance book for women, written by self-made finance guru Bola Sokunbi. Written in an accessible and entertaining tone, Clever Girl Finance teaches women how to budget, save, invest, and pay off loans. Bola…

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  • 2

    On My Own Two Feet

    A Modern Girl's Guide to Personal Finance

    Manisha Thakor · 2007

    3.94771 ratings · Goodreads

    Finance and numbers

    About the book

    Most young women would love to live a carefree lifestyle filled with lunches, Louis Vuitton, and lattes, but what you might not know is that doing so can lead to future financial breakdown.Whether you've been living paycheck-to-paycheck, are trying to save…

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  • 3

    Essentials of Accounting

    Robert N. Anthony · 1976

    4.071,125 ratings · Goodreads

    Finance and numbers

    About the book

    For courses in Introductory Accounting. This programmed text has a proven format that involves a unique reversal of pages in the later chapters. This design was conceived as a way to allow the answer column to always appear in th right margin. The book is…

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  • 4

    Real estate finance and investments

    William B. Brueggeman, Jeffrey Fisher · 1993

    55 Open Library reading lists

    Finance and numbers

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  • 5

    Keys to Heaven's Economy

    An Angelic Visitation from the Minister of Finance

    Shawn Bolz · 2005

    4.40328 ratings · Goodreads

    Finance and numbers

    About the book

    The Lord's audible voice filled the room, introducing the angel standing before me: "Welcome the Minister of Finance for the Kingdom." So begins the unfolding of Shawn Bolz's visitations from God's heavenly messenger, His Minister of Finance. Heavenly…

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  • 6

    Lower Ed

    The Troubling Rise of For-Profit Colleges in the New Economy

    Tressie McMillan Cottom · 2015

    4.261,560 ratings · Goodreads

    Finance and numbers

    About the book

    “The best book yet on the complex lives and choices of for-profit students.” The New York Times Book Review As seen on The Daily Show , NPR’s Marketplace , and Fresh Air , the “powerful, chilling tale” (Carol Anderson) of higher education becoming an…

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  • 7

    My Life as a Quant

    Reflections on Physics and Finance

    Emanuel Derman · 2004

    3.802,806 ratings · Goodreads

    Finance and numbers

    About the book

    In My Life as a Quant, Emanuel Derman relives his exciting journey as one of the first high-energy particle physicists to migrate to Wall Street. Page by page, Derman details his adventures in this field, analyzing the incompatible personas of traders and…

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  • 8

    Financial Fitness

    The Offense, Defense, and Playing Field of Personal Finance

    Chris Brady · 2013

    4.62436 ratings · Goodreads

    Finance and numbers

    About the book

    We call it "The Money Thing": the elusive, often difficult mystery of acquiring, keeping, and continuing to produce enough money to be able to life the life of our choosing. While prescriptions and advice about one's money are as available and varied as diet…

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What founders at seed need most: company building, finding product-market fit, raising money, first sales, marketing and growth.

  • 1

    The Elements of User Experience

    User-Centered Design for the Web

    Jesse James Garrett · 2002

    4.014,134 ratings · Goodreads

    Finding product-market fitCompany building

    About the book

    Smart organizations recognize that Web design is more than just creating clean code and sharp graphics. A site that really works fulfills your strategic objectives while meeting the needs of your users. Even the best content and the most sophisticated…

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  • 2

    Get Backed

    Craft Your Story, Build the Perfect Pitch Deck, and Launch the Venture of Your Dreams

    Evan Baehr · 2015

    4.36356 ratings · Goodreads

    Raising moneyCompany building

    About the book

    HOW DO YOU LAUNCH THE VENTURE OF YOUR DREAMS? Get Backed isn’t just about startup fundraising. It’s a handbook for anyone who has an idea and needs to build relationships to get it off the ground. Over the last 3 years, entrepreneurs Evan Loomis and…

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  • 3

    Selling the Invisible

    A Field Guide to Modern Marketing

    Harry Beckwith · 1997

    3.9410,059 ratings · Goodreads

    Marketing and growthFirst salesCompany building

    About the book

    You can't touch, hear, or see your company's most important products... So how do you sell, develop, make them grow? That's the problem with services. This "phenomenal" book, as one reviewer called it, answers that question with insights on how markets work…

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  • 4

    UX for Beginners

    A Crash Course in 100 Short Lessons

    Joel Marsh · 2016

    4.04527 ratings · Goodreads

    Finding product-market fitCompany building

    About the book

    Apps! Websites! Rubber Ducks! Naked Ninjas! This book has everything. If you want to get started in user experience design (UX), you've come to the right 100 self-contained lessons that cover the whole spectrum of fundamentals. Forget dry, technical…

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  • 5

    Simple Marketing For Smart People

    The One Question You Need to Win Customers without Gimmicks, Hype, or Hard Selling

    Billy Broas · 2024

    4.35305 ratings · Goodreads

    Marketing and growthFirst salesCompany building

    About the book

    Why do so many smart people struggle with marketing? The answer is smart people love complexity, and complexity brews problems. Does your marketing feel like it has way too many moving parts? If so, Simple Marketing for Smart People is the solution you’ve…

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  • 6

    Observing the User Experience

    A Practitioner's Guide to User Research

    Mike Kuniavsky · 2003

    3.99695 ratings · Goodreads

    Finding product-market fit

    About the book

    The gap between who designers and developers imagine their users are, and who those users really are can be the biggest problem with product development. Observing the User Experience will help you bridge that gap to understand what your users want and need…

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  • 7

    Risky is the New Safe

    The Rules Have Changed . . .

    Randy Gage · 2012

    3.86348 ratings · Goodreads

    Raising moneyCompany building

    About the book

    THE NEW YORK TIMES BESTSELLER and #1 WALL STREET JOURNAL BESTSELLER Risky Is the New Safe is a different kind of book for a different kind of thinking--a thought-provoking manifesto for risk takers. It will challenge you to think laterally, question…

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  • 8

    Lean Customer Development

    Building Products Your Customers Will Buy

    Cindy Alvarez · 2014

    4.181,270 ratings · Goodreads

    Finding product-market fitCompany building

    About the book

    How do you develop products that people will actually use and buy? This practical guide shows you how to validate product and company ideas through customer development research--before you waste months and millions on a product or service that no one needs…

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Leading and managing a team as the company grows.

  • 1

    Good to Great

    Why Some Companies Make the Leap... and Others Don't

    Jim Collins · 2001

    4.12312,279 ratings · Goodreads

    Leading and managing

    About the book

    The Challenge: Built to Last, the defining management study of the nineties, showed how great companies triumph over time and how long-term sustained performance can be engineered into the DNA of an enterprise from the very beginning. But what about the…

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  • 2

    The Ride of a Lifetime

    Lessons Learned from 15 Years as CEO of the Walt Disney Company

    Robert Iger · 2019

    4.4099,495 ratings · Goodreads

    Leading and managing

    About the book

    A grand vision defined: The CEO of The Walt Disney Company shares the ideas and values he has used to reinvent one of the most beloved companies in the world, and inspire the people who bring the magic to life. In 2005, Robert Iger became CEO of The Walt…

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  • 3

    Rising Strong

    The Reckoning. The Rumble. The Revolution

    Brené Brown · 2015

    4.2590,292 ratings · Goodreads

    Leading and managing

    About the book

    Social scientist Brené Brown has ignited a global conversation on courage, vulnerability, shame, and worthiness. Her pioneering work uncovered a profound truth: Vulnerability, the willingness to show up and be seen with no guarantee of outcome, is the only path…

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  • 4

    The Wisdom of the Bullfrog

    Leadership Made Simple

    William H. McRaven · 2023

    4.408,634 ratings · Goodreads

    Leading and managing

    About the book

    From the acclaimed, bestselling author of  Make Your Bed, a short, inspirational book of advice and leadership lessons that Admiral McRaven collected over his four decades as a Navy SEAL. The title “Bullfrog” is given to the Navy SEAL who has served the…

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  • 5

    Creativity, Inc.

    Overcoming the Unseen Forces That Stand in the Way of True Inspiration

    Ed Catmull · 2014

    4.20105,625 ratings · Goodreads

    Leading and managing

    About the book

    “What does it mean to manage well?” From Ed Catmull, co-founder (with Steve Jobs and John Lasseter) of Pixar Animation Studios, comes an incisive book about creativity in business, sure to appeal to readers of Daniel Pink, Tom Peters, and Chip and Dan Heath.…

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  • 6

    Winning

    Proven Leadership and Management Principles for Strategic Career Excellence and Business Success

    Jack Welch · 2005

    3.8643,588 ratings · Goodreads

    Leading and managing

    About the book

    A champion manager of people, Jack Welch shares the hard-earned wisdom of a storied career in what will become the ultimate business bible With Winning, Jack Welch delivers a wide-ranging, in-depth, no-holds-barred management guidebook about the tough…

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  • 7

    Reinventing Organizations

    A Guide to Creating Organizations Inspired by the Next Stage of Human Consciousness

    Frederic Laloux · 2014

    4.216,480 ratings · Goodreads

    Leading and managing

    About the book

    FROM THE BACKCOVERThe way we manage organizations seems increasingly out of date. Deep inside, we sense that more is possible. We long for soulful workplaces, for authenticity, community, passion, and purpose.In this groundbreaking book, the author shows that…

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  • 8

    The 360 Degree Leader

    Developing Your Influence from Anywhere in the Organization

    John C. Maxwell · 2005

    4.158,377 ratings · Goodreads

    Leading and managing

    About the book

    Don't wait for that promotion! Start leading NOW... right where you are! What's the number one question leadership expert John C. Maxwell is asked while conducting his leadership conferences?  "How can I implement what you teach when I'm not the top leader?"…

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  • 1

    Buy What You Love Without Going Broke

    Transform Your Spending and Get More of What Money Can’t Buy―An Empowering Personal Finance Guide with a Mindful Spending Plan

    Jennifer Louise Smith · 2025

    3.911,144 ratings · Goodreads

    Finance and numbers

    About the book

    A relatable personal finance guide that gives a fresh take on how to control your impulse spending so you can stick to a budget and pay off debt, without the guilt and shame of traditional financial advice, from the hosts of the beloved Frugal Friends podcast.…

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  • 2

    Lean Marketing

    More Leads. More Profit. Less Marketing.

    Allan Dib · 2024

    4.31452 ratings · Goodreads

    Finance and numbersMarketing and growthCompany building

    About the book

    Bigger Results with Less Marketing You keep being told to do more marketing―more complex, more aggressive, and more expensive marketing. Chasing the latest bright, shiny object is exhausting. Increased efforts keep leading to disappointment. The overwhelm…

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  • 3

    Our Dollar, Your Problem

    An Insider's View of Seven Turbulent Decades of Global Finance, and the Road Ahead

    Kenneth Rogoff · 2025

    4.161,111 ratings · Goodreads

    Finance and numbersCompany building

    About the book

    A leading economist explores the global rise of the U.S. dollar and shows why its future stability is far from assured. Our Dollar, Your Problem argues that America’s currency might not have reached today’s lofty pinnacle without a certain amount of good…

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  • 4

    Hey, Hun

    Sales, Sisterhood, Supremacy, and the Other Lies Behind Multilevel Marketing

    Emily Lynn Paulson · 2023

    3.5814,654 ratings · Goodreads

    Marketing and growthFirst salesCompany building

    About the book

    She signed up for the sisterhood, free cars, and the promise of a successful business of her own. Instead, she ended up with an addiction, broken friendships, and the rubble of a toppled pyramid . . . scheme. Hey, Hun: Sales, Sisterhood, Supremacy, and the…

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  • 5

    The 5 Types of Wealth

    A Transformative Guide to Design Your Dream Life

    Sahil Bloom · 2025

    4.1312,431 ratings · Goodreads

    Finance and numbersCompany building

    About the book

    A groundbreaking guide to rejecting the default path and designing your dream life, a life centered around The 5 Types of Wealth. Launch your journey to fulfillment with this transformative system from inspirational writer, speaker, and entrepreneur Sahil…

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  • 6

    Incorruptible

    Why Good Companies Go Bad... and How Great Companies Stay Great

    Eric Ries · 2026

    4.37355 ratings · Goodreads

    Finance and numbersCompany building

    About the book

    Incorruptible is Eric Ries’s boldest work since The Lean Startup. Where his earlier books offered tools for product innovation and scaling, this one tackles a deeper, systemic why do even the best companies drift from their missions, betraying the trust of…

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  • 7

    Risk and Reward

    How to Handle Market Volatility and Build Long-Term Wealth

    Ben Carlson · 2026

    4.20297 ratings · Goodreads

    Finance and numbersCompany building

    About the book

    Let me tell you the secret to investing.There is no secret.When investing your hard-earned money, risk and reward are inescapably intertwined. And there are no shortcuts. Getting rich overnight is a pipedream.Ben Carlson constructs this book to play Devil’s…

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  • 8

    The Woke Salaryman Crash Course on Capitalism & Money

    Lessons from the World's Most Expensive City

    The Woke Salaryman · 2024

    3.97607 ratings · Goodreads

    Finance and numbers

    About the book

    Learn the rules of the game of capitalism so you can play to win and build wealth Crash Course on Capitalism and Lessons from the World's Most Expensive City is not your typical personal finance guide. Written by the founders of the top personal finance blog…

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How companies like yours were actually built, from the people who built them.

  • 1

    American Kingpin

    Catching the Billion-Dollar Baron of the Dark Web

    Nick Bilton · 2017

    4.4155,362 ratings · Goodreads

    Founder stories

    About the book

    From New York Times-bestselling author Nick Bilton comes a true-life thriller about the rise and fall of Ross Ulbricht, aka the Dread Pirate Roberts, the founder of the online black market Silk Road. In 2011, Ulbricht, a 26-year-old libertarian idealist…

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  • 2

    Steve Jobs

    Walter Isaacson · 2011

    4.161,391,990 ratings · Goodreads

    Founder storiesCompany building

    About the book

    Walter Isaacson's worldwide bestselling biography of Apple cofounder Steve Jobs. Based on more than forty interviews with Steve Jobs conducted over two years--as well as interviews with more than 100 family members, friends, adversaries, competitors, and…

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  • 3

    The Situation Room

    The Inside Story of Presidents in Crisis

    George Stephanopoulos · 2024

    4.3211,278 ratings · Goodreads

    Founder stories

    About the book

    George Stephanopoulos, former senior advisor to President Clinton and for more than 20 years anchor of  This Week  and co-anchor of  Good Morning America , recounts the crises that decided the course of history, from the place 12 presidents made their…

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  • 4

    Sam Walton, Made in America

    My Story

    Sam Walton · 1992

    4.1628,881 ratings · Goodreads

    Founder storiesCompany building

    About the book

    As Sam Walton himself said, this is "...a story about entrepreneurship, and risk, and hard work, and knowing where you want to go and being willing to do what it takes to get there. And it's a story about believing in your idea even when maybe some other…

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  • 5

    I Came Upon a Lighthouse

    A Short Memoir Of Life With Ratan Tata

    Shantanu Naidu · 2021

    4.443,152 ratings · Goodreads

    Founder storiesCompany building

    About the book

    An endearing portrait of an Indian legend I told him that when I write a book, I would write about another side of him and not just historic events or business milestones. I would write about us and our adventures together, and how I saw him, colours and…

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  • 6

    The Elon Musk Blog Series

    Wait But Why

    Tim Urban · 2016

    4.701,837 ratings · Goodreads

    Founder storiesCompany building

    About the book

    In 2015, Elon Musk reached out to blogger Tim Urban and asked him if he'd take a crack at explaining Elon's endeavors, and the industries surrounding them, to the world. Tim accepted, and after extensive meetings with Elon and his staff, he wrote four blog…

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  • 7

    Shoe Dog

    A Memoir by the Creator of Nike

    Phil Knight · 2016

    4.45389,310 ratings · Goodreads

    Founder storiesCompany building

    About the book

    In this candid and riveting memoir, for the first time ever, Nike founder and CEO Phil Knight shares the inside story of the company’s early days as an intrepid start-up and its evolution into one of the world’s most iconic, game-changing, and profitable…

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  • 8

    Never Finished

    Unshackle Your Mind and Win the War Within

    David Goggins · 2022

    4.3850,509 ratings · Goodreads

    Founder stories

    About the book

    This is not a self-help book. It's a wake-up call! Can't Hurt Me, David Goggins' smash hit memoir, demonstrated how much untapped ability we all have but was merely an introduction to the power of the mind. In Never Finished, Goggins takes you inside his…

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What founders at seed keep coming back to, if you have not read them yet.

  • 1

    Crossing the Chasm

    Marketing and Selling High-Tech Products to Mainstream Customers

    Geoffrey A. Moore · 2002

    4.0332,109 ratings · Goodreads

    Marketing and growthCompany buildingFirst sales

    About the book

    Here is the bestselling guide that created a new game plan for marketing in high-tech industries. Crossing the Chasm has become the bible for bringing cutting-edge products to progressively larger markets. This edition provides new insights into the realities…

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  • 2

    The 22 Immutable Laws of Marketing

    Violate Them at Your Own Risk

    Al Ries · 1993

    4.0522,738 ratings · Goodreads

    Marketing and growthCompany building

    About the book

    There are laws of nature, so why shouldn't there be laws of marketing? As Al Ries and Jack Trout, the world-renowned marketing consultants and bestselling authors of Positioning, note, you can build an impressive airplane, but it will never leave the ground if…

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  • 3

    Building A Story Brand

    Donald Miller · 2017

    4.2726,500 ratings · Goodreads

    Marketing and growthCompany building

    About the book

    New York Times bestselling author Donald Miller uses the seven universal elements of powerful stories to teach readers how to dramatically improve how they connect with customers and grow their businesses. Donald Miller’s StoryBrand process is a proven…

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  • 4

    Lok Vyavhar

    Diamond Books · 1936

    4.221,157,905 ratings · Goodreads

    Company building

    About the book

    This is the translation of famous - HOW TO WIN FRIENDS AND INFLUENCE PEOPLE - a classic book that gave birth to the self-help industry. Through this book, Dale Carnegie offers practical and proven advice on how to deal with people and understand them in order…

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  • 5

    Inspired

    How to Create Tech Products Customers Love

    Marty Cagan · 2008

    4.2226,350 ratings · Goodreads

    Company buildingFinding product-market fit

    About the book

    Learn to design, build, and scale products consumers can't get enough of How do today's most successful tech companies–Amazon, Google, Facebook, Netflix, Tesla–design, develop, and deploy the products that have earned the love of literally billions of…

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  • 6

    Empire of Pain

    The Secret History of the Sackler Dynasty

    Patrick Radden Keefe · 2021

    4.53151,147 ratings · Goodreads

    Company building

    About the book

    The highly anticipated portrait of three generations of the Sackler family, by the prize-winning, bestselling author of Say Nothing .The Sackler name adorns the walls of many storied Harvard, the Metropolitan Museum of Art, Oxford, the Louvre. They are one of…

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  • 7

    Zero to One

    Notes on Startups, or How to Build the Future

    Peter Thiel · 2014

    4.14419,155 ratings · Goodreads

    Company building

    About the book

    If you want to build a better future, you must believe in secrets. The great secret of our time is that there are still uncharted frontiers to explore and new inventions to create. In Zero to One, legendary entrepreneur and investor Peter Thiel shows how…

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  • 8

    Never Split the Difference

    Negotiating as if Your Life Depended on It

    Chris Voss · 2016

    4.33227,027 ratings · Goodreads

    Company building

    About the book

    A former FBI hostage negotiator offers a new, field-tested approach to negotiating – effective in any situation. After a stint policing the rough streets of Kansas City, Missouri, Chris Voss joined the FBI, where his career as a kidnapping negotiator…

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